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DEMO ’09 Presenters Announced – Best Damn Gig Goin’ In This Economy, and I’m There!

Could it be any more fun than getting to see this many entrepreneurs get up on stage and pitch their exciting new stuff at DEMO?  Or maybe you'd rather sit at home and whine about "the economy"?  Go ahead, wallow in your lamestream-media bullcrap.  DEMO-stage
I'm goin' to the Disneyland of Entrepreneurship and Innovation: DEMO '09!  Where the excitement of what's new and what's coming next in cool, new technology will encourage and inspire all those lucky enough to be there.  And, if even if you can't be in the room, you'll have lots of online options to feel like you're almost there — which the DEMO folks tell you all about right here.

Yes, there are only 39 presenters this time, when 60-something have been common at most events in recent years.  But, hey, what would you expect in these times?  It's not quantity — it's quality!  The DEMO producers never disappoint on that.

Here's the current crop of lucky presenters:

7 Billion People, Inc., Austin, TX
Always Innovating, Inc., Mountain View, CA
• AppZero Corp., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Asurion Mobile Applications, Inc., San Mateo, CA
Avaak, Inc., San Diego, CA
BitGravity, Inc., Burlingame, CA
bluBuzz, LLC, Holland, MI
Cc:Betty, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Citrix Online, Goleta, CA
Coveroo, Inc., San Francisco, CA
deskNET, Lausanne, CH
Document Depository Corp., LLC, Wayne, PA
eFormic, Ltd., Stuttgart, DE
Ensembli, Ltd., Sheffield, Great Britain
Evri, Inc., Seattle, WA
Gazaro, Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
HAM-IT, Inc., North Andover, MA
• Home-Account, Inc., San Francisco, CA
HowSimple, LLC, Huntington Beach, CA
Jadoos, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Kutano Corp., Burnaby, BC, Canada
Liquid Media, LLC, Arvada, CO
Ontier, Inc., Portland, OR
Primal Fusion, Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
• Promptu Systems Corp., Menlo Park, CA
Purewire, Inc., Atlanta, GA
Qualcomm MEMS Technologies, Inc., San Diego, CA
Qubes, Inc., Taipei, Taiwan
Silverstone Solutions, Inc., San Francisco, CA
• Skout, Inc., San Francisco, CA
SmartyCard, San Mateo, CA
Symantec Corp., Mountain View, CA
• Technicopia, LLC, Carmel Valley, CA
Transformyx, Inc., Baton Rouge, LA
Vokle, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Xandros, Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
XMARKS, San Francisco, CA
Zipadi Technologies, LLC, Bluffdale, UT
Zuora, Inc., Redwood City, CA

DEMO-09-logo+datesIf you're attending or presenting, look me up, starting Sunday evening at the opening reception. Then I'll be in the grand hall all day Monday and Tuesday, sitting in the press area up front.  In a new wrinkle this year, I'll be doing audio interviews with startup team members and various friends and colleagues I run into — then posting those MP3s regularly to my blog during the two-and-a-half days.  And, of course, I'll be live-tweeting the whole affair as well — as I have several times now.

To communicate with me, please comment here on my blog, or you can always reply or DM me on my Twitter page, which is simply @GraemeThickins.  Please follow me there for the full-on firehose of DEMO updates!  My tweets will also be running at this aggregator page, where all DEMO '09 attendees' tweets will appear: @DEMOchatter.

Chris Shipley Speaks: The Real Scoop on Why the DEMO Producer Is Moving On

The DEMO conferences have a long, rich history, serving for some 19 years as "The Launchpad for Emerging Technology."  It's a brand like no other in the conference business.  And I can say that as someone who's been reporting on a wide range of technology conferences for more than a decade.  DEMO isn't so much a meeting or event as it is a spirit, a dedication, a community of people who celebrate new ideas and product innovations, and the thrill of building those into companies. (There's a lot more on the DEMO web site, and here's their About page.)

As closely as I follow all things DEMO (and I attend both their flagship U.S. events, spring and fall, every year), I was as shocked as anyone when a press release jumped out at me as I scanned my email inbox around midnight on February 18, saying DEMO was forging a long-term partnership with VentureBeat, and, after 13 years as executive producer, Chris Shipley was passing the torch to VentureBeat's Matt Marshall.

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The next day, I emailed Chris and asked if she'd consent to be interviewed.  I thought the week before DEMO '09 would be a good time (in the lull as we press and bloggers anxiously await the well-guarded list of who will be presenting at the event) to delve into the background behind this startling news announcement, and get Chris' own words on why and how it came about. She was kind enough to agree. I especially wanted to cover this story because a mini-firestorm had erupted in the blogosphere of conjecture and commentary on this news, and I felt a real need to clear the air. So, she and I conducted the following email exchange over the past couple of days. (Just as background, Chris is CEO and founder of her own analyst firm, Guidewire Group, and has been throughout her entire stint as DEMO's executive producer.)

DEMO-08-closingshot375w Tech~Surf~Blog:  Chris, how hard a decision was this to make?  Have you been considering it for some time?  What made this the right time? 

Chris Shipley:  Neither I nor Guidewire Group took this step lightly.  DEMO has been a big part of my career and a key client to Guidewire Group for a long time, and it's difficult to make a big change like this.  At the same time, I've been able to accomplish many of the goals I've set for DEMO, and while there is still a long and rich future ahead of the DEMO brand, Guidewire Group poses new and bigger challenges, challenges that I find very exciting.  Is there ever a "right time" to make a big change?  I'm not sure, but I do know that Guidewire Group's focus — working with young companies as they face significant points of transition — couldn't be more needed than now.   As we put our full attention on our clients, I believe we'll have plenty of opportunity to help companies through this tough economy.

Tech~Surf~Blog:  What did you think of a certain Silicon Valley tech blog that shall remain nameless running a story saying that "DEMO is in trouble"?  And what's been your take on the media interest in general that's resulted in your decision to pass the baton?  

Chris Shipley:  Honestly, I don't think much about it at all.  DEMO isn't in trouble; it's a strong brand that continues to deliver value to its customers.

Your question implies that last summer's market noise drove my decision to step down from DEMO, which is not at all the case.  I'm not leaving DEMO so much as I am going to a new and exciting opportunity.   

You know, there's a lot of "Inside Baseball" in the blogosphere and in Silicon Valley. I've really never been a big participant in those conversations because I don't find them particularly relevant to what I'm trying to do: work with young companies to help them deliver great products to customers who value the relationship with that company.  The vast majority of those customers don't care who launched what gossip about whom.  They care about solving real problems effectively and cost-efficiently.  So, it seems a much better use of my time to listen to the broader market rather than the echo chamber that the Valley can too often be.

Tech~Surf~Blog:  How long have you known your designated successor, Matt Marshall of VentureBeat?  How influential were you in his selection as your successor?  DEMO has stated it plans to delve into "deeper topics."  Will the fact that Matt has a Ph. D. in government mean the event will try to appeal more to policy wonks and academics?  Or what does that portend for the brand, really?

Chris Shipley:  I met Matt as he was founding VentureBeat in 2006, and immediately recognized him as a smart, ethical guy passionate about entrepreneurs and the venture ecosystem.  When I finally made the decision to step down, IDG asked me to help identify my successor and I immediately thought of Matt.  I approached him in the fall and worked closely with both VentureBeat and IDG to make the deal happen.

By "deeper topics," I think Matt's saying that the combination of the live event (DEMO) and the online media property (Venture Beat) creates the opportunity to continue a conversation across the two forums.  The DEMO events cover only about six days a year.  Now, with VentureBeat, DEMO can be a 365-days-a-year community, and that, fundamentally, will allow the conversation to dive deeper into themes and trends.

You know, I don't see Matt as a policy wonk or academician so much as I view him as a thoughtful, hard-working journalist.  I think he'll bring that energy and integrity to the DEMO event, infuse it with his own style and interests, and ultimately make the event his own.  That's what I hope for him, for DEMO, and for the DEMO community.

Tech~Surf~Blog:  How much time will Matt devote to DEMO versus running his own company (which isn't even three years old yet)?  How much time did you personally devote to DEMO versus running your own longstanding firm, Guidewire Group?

Chris Shipley:  Ultimately, that's a question for Matt, so I'll leave it to him to answer.  DEMO is, however, a big job and it is time consuming.  Like every other entrepreneur, I had to get smart about how I spend the limited resource that is my time.  I think I was able to do that reasonably well.  Ultimately, though, I determined that the exciting and energizing work ahead for Guidewire Group is work I want to be dedicated to full time.  And that's what drove the decision to step down from DEMO.

Tech~Surf~Blog: As DEMO's executive producer, it's no secret you travel a lot, worldwide, to meet one-on-one with startups.  Did this demanding travel schedule have anything to do with your decision?  Or did other aspects of doing the same thing for 13 years enter in?

Chris Shipley:  I love the travel because I love meeting entrepreneurs in their business environments, no matter if it's an office in Mountain View or one in Taipei or Madrid or Adelaide.  It's critical, I think, to understanding local market constraints and opportunities.  And it puts Silicon Valley in appropriate perspective.  Guidewire Group has international reach and international clients.  It is, in no small part, what differentiates us from other analyst firms.  So, I don't think the travel demands are going to change very much, and I'm not sure that I'd want them to.

The subtext of the question, really, is "what drove you from DEMO?"  It seems people want the "real story" behind my departure.  The true and remarkably non-salacious answer is "nothing."  DEMO is a great property.  It is a tremendous platform.  And it has been an honor to oversee this event and work with so many passionate entrepreneurs over the last 13 years.  DEMO never got boring, and I am not tired of DEMO, or run down by the travel, or discouraged by competitive or even economic pressure.

I'm not leaving DEMO so much as I am going to a great new challenge: building Guidewire Group into a world-class analyst and advisory firm, focused on early-stage companies that, at times of transition and critical decision, need a fresh perspective to help form and validate their strategies and positions.  Working intensely to help startups succeed.  What could be more fun than that?

Tech~Surf~Blog:  What's your take on the health of the technology startup mindset?  Has it changed with the recession, now increasingly a worldwide one?  Have you observed differences, now or over the years, between U.S. entrepreneurs and those in other countries?  Is there a reason more non-U.S. startups seem to be increasingly pitching at DEMO conferences?

Chris Shipley:  Are you testing my ability to parse a multi-part question? 😉 This is, without question, the deepest recession in the technology market I've experienced in the 25 years I've been covering the industry.  It is affecting every company, not just one over-inflated sector, and it is global in scale.  Without question, the recession will cull the flock. Companies that lack the resources, leadership, and vision to manage through this crisis will go away.  And those that are just a little bit smarter, a little bit faster, a little bit more courageous will win the day.  That's true whether they are in Silicon Valley, the United States, or in any other part of the world.

I used to see a pretty big capabilities gap between U.S. and non-U.S. technology entrepreneurs.  That gap has closed pretty dramatically.  While there are still many cultural and business structural differences that separate U.S. and foreign entrepreneurs, I think I could argue successfully that the barriers that non-U.S. entrepreneurs face are exactly the conquests that make them smarter, more adaptable, and ultimately more successful companies.  Think of it: it's relatively (and I stress "relatively") easy to create a business in an environment that offers all the support and infrastructure an entrepreneur could need. It's a whole lot harder to do that same work without the support systems. So a company that is successful without the support is, arguably, going to be very successful when given the full comfort and care of a nurturing environment like Silicon Valley, even if it is also more competitive.

We consciously went looking for non-U.S. companies to bring to DEMO for exactly that reason.  This is a global market.  Competition can come from anywhere.  Great new ideas aren't bound to Silicon Valley. I've tried to reflect that in the DEMO lineup.

Tech~Surf~Blog:  Please tell us about Guidewire Group.  How many employees do you have?  Who are your clients?  What is your mission?  And what if anything will change about Guidewire Group now that you've stated it will become 100% of your focus, once you transition fully from your role at DEMO after the fall 2009 event?

Chris Shipley:  Guidewire Group is a global analyst firm that works with early-stage companies to effectively build and execute their business strategies. We've identified opportunity in working with young companies at key transition points, to develop and deliver business strategy, monetization plans, and market validation.  Through custom projects, retained analyst services, events such as Innovate!Europe, and Guidewire Studio, our exclusive in-residence program, we're doing the work we love most — helping startups thrive.

We work with a range of clients, both startups and large companies that want to build their relationships with early-stage companies.

We are a small team today, although I suspect that will change a bit over the next year.  We have so many ideas that we want to pursue, and with full focus, time, and passion, I know we'll be able to bring the best of those ideas to life for the benefit of our clients and community.

Tech~Surf~Blog:  Many thanks for taking the time, Chris.  Best of luck in the next, exciting chapter of your career.  And I'll see you at DEMO '09 in Palm Desert.  I'm so looking forward to that opening reception Sunday night…

Chris Shipley:  Thanks, Graeme. I really do appreciate your support. See you in a couple of days.

Photo credits: 1) DEMO PR photo, 2) my own photo as I left DEMO '08, January 30, 2008.

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Hints of What’s Coming at DEMO ’09

As noted to the right in my sidebar, I'll be reporting from the DEMO conference coming up soon in Southern California. I always look forward to this time of year. I think it will be my seventh or eighth DEMO event in a row (they're held twice a year), and maybe my tenth overall. DEMO is "The Launchpad for Emerging Technology."  DEMO-09-logo+dates
Nowhere else can you get a reading on what's coming in tech better than you can at this event. Click in that graphic to the right for details about registering.

DEMO prides itself in finding the "diamonds in the rough" before anyone else. Over the years, this event has been the site of the first launch of such ventures as Palm, Java, TiVo, and E*TRADE in the mid/late '90s, and, in more recent years, Salesforce.com, VMware, Six Apart, OddPost, IronPort, GrandCentral, and Glam Media, to name a few. 
DEMO says it focuses "on real products ready for market—regardless of their geography." Presenting firms hail from many countries.

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So, who attends this thing?  Media and bloggers, VCs, business development professionals, IT executives, and new technology firms from all over the world.  DEMO says 15,000 people have attended their events over the past
19 years. Read more here: Who Attends DEMO? Here's a sampling of companies the people of DEMO have told me will be attending the upcoming event on March 1-3: Deutsche Telekom AG, August Capital, Meakem Becker Venture Capital, First Round Capital, Allegis Capital, Motorola, Google, Hitachi America, Microsoft, Qualcomm, Symantec, UBS, NYSE, Wall Street Journal, The Economist, VentureBeat, Business Week, Forbes, ABC, eWeek, North Bridge Ventures, NTTCOMWARE, Hummer Winblad Venture Partners, Verizon, Alcatel-Lucent, SVB Capital, Mayfield Fund, Granite Ventures, New Enterprise Associates, and more.

What kinds of firms will be pitching?  Well, DEMO doesn't let out much in advance of the show — certainly not the list of presenters. That's a big secret. (Companies actually have been dropped from the event if they leak that they're presenting. And we press attendees, of course, have to honor that embargo as well.) The list of presenters is only released the Friday night before the event, which kicks off with a Sunday night reception. (I always post that list of presenters as soon as it's released to the press, so watch this space on the evening of February 27th.)  But the DEMO producers did provide me with an interesting set of stats on the DEMO '09 presenters, represented in a couple of charts. So, here's a Breakdown of DEMO '09 Presenters by Market Segment and Funding to Date:

DEMO-09-stats But should we really be expecting much excitement at DEMO this year?  Isn't the economy in the tank?  Does innovation really move ahead in these times?  You bet it does!  And the DEMO blog cites recent examples of that from the 2001 downturn. Sure, there will be fewer attendees, and fewer presenters. For the last several shows, we've seen about 65 presenters on average doing their six-minute pitches at each event. This time, it will undoubtedly be less, maybe may even fewer than 50. But I guarantee you we'll be hearing some of tomorrow's big winners, on stage for the first time. Because we always do. And the anticipation of that is, frankly, really exciting to me, and to the rest of 500+ who will be attending. It is an extremely upbeat affair, every single time.

There are some great updates being posted on The DEMO Blog, by Chris Shipley, Executive Producer, and other staff members.  Here are three recent posts:

Two Panels Just Announced for DEMO '09 … VCs on one, past DEMO company CEOs on the other
Smart Money Takes a Flight to Quality … "yes, it's a great time to throw a conference that launches new technology products, spots trends, and celebrates innovation"
Making a Lasting Impact … about how one past DEMO presenter, battery company Boston Power, is growing rapidly

And give a quick listen to a podcast about DEMO '09 recorded on January 29 by my friend Keith Shaw of Network World and Carla Thompson of the Guidewire Group.

Your intrepid reporter: pumped and ready. I can't wait to live-tweet DEMO '09! I did somewhere between 200 and 300 newsy tweets at the last one — so (fair warning) get ready for the firehose!  And I'll be doing podcast interviews for the first time, too, with my whiz-bang new toy: a studio-quality handheld recorder. I'm gonna give it a go in the way of some short, ad-hoc interviews of presenting company founders, VCs, and various luminaries wandering the great hall, the pavilion, and (of course) the hallways. And I'm told I can upload these pretty quickly to my blog, giving those of you who can't be there at least a near-realtime sense of what's going on at DEMO.

Will you be going to DEMO '09?  If so, let us know in the comments! (And let's try to meet up face-to-face.)  If you can't make it, what would you most like to see covered? What answers would you be seeking if you were there? What you would most want to get out of the event?

The Clear and Simple Solution to the Current Downturn: The Entrepreneurial Economy

The big answer to our current economic plight is not a new one: it is staring us right in the face. It has brought us out of many a recession before this one, and it will do so again. It is simply this: the ingenuity and perseverance of the American entrepreneur. Something never be taken lightly! 

I was delighted to recently stumble across a blog post from GrowThink entitled The "Downturn" — Keeping Things in Perspective, by the firm's founder, Jay TuroIt is so good, I just want to do everything I can to spread it. GrowThink-blog
I *so* wish I would have written it, because this every message has been going around in my head for some time now. And it's a message I guarantee you won't get from the mainstream media!

I wanted to call it out here as required reading.  What you should get out of it is this: stop paying attention to the "woe-is-me" media … flight negativity with every bone in your body … and do everything you can to support our country's strong, ever-committed entrepreneurial economy.  It is THE major source of new jobs and wealth creation in this country, and we all benefit from it greatly in myriad ways, directly or indirectly.  It has been, and will continue to be, what makes our economy grow, and our country great.  And no recession can hold it down!  People, layoffs are about the past — the entrepreneurial economy is about the future…and change, positive change!!

I believe the year 2009 will bring great things, and I'm very proud to say I'm a supporter and believer in American Capitalism.  It is the best political and economic system in the world, and it's a strong now as it ever was.

UPDATE 12/22/08: I was delighted to see that my friend Brian Solis wrote an *absolutely awesome* post on TechCrunch the day after I posted the above, called Fear Kills Businesses, Dead.  It's a great complement to what I'm saying here in my post.  There are so many reasons for businesses to be positive — yes, right now — particularly if you're a lean, mean, nimble tech startup!  Read this post by Brian, and take it to heart!  It even quotes my friend and past client Steve Larsen, who used to be based here in Minnesota.  (See an article I wrote on Steve earlier this year, which appeared on "Chief Executive" magazine's site: Zen and the Art of Startup Maintenance.)

DEMOfall 08 vs. TechCrunch50: My Wrap-Up of Last Week

I attend a lot of conferences. A ton of conferences. I actually started reporting on tech conferences in 1997, would you believe?  Heck, I can’t even count how many I’ve attended, how many reports I’ve filed, for how many media outlets, how many endless thousands of words I’ve tapped out, at all hours of the day and night, from meeting rooms, lobbies, and bad hotel rooms all over God’s green earth (not to speak of planes flying above it).  I think that gives me some perspective on what makes for a good conference. Demofallkarawalt

So, then, I suppose you guys would like to hear my take on the events I attended in California this past week, huh?  I guess this is as good a time as any, as I drink wine on the plane home and finally get some think time, to start tapping this one out on the keyboard. Seems like my chance to wax on about my thoughts on these two opposing/overlapping events… Techcrunch50mikearrington

Now, the way I figure it, there are two ways I could do this: a really long blog post (trust me, I have tons I could say), or really short. I can’t see something in between. Since the flight is only another hour and a half, I’m thinking shorter has to be the way to go. Thus, here’s my analysis in sound-bite form.

Two Conferences for Startups: Similar, But World’s Apart
You know how the two events were similar, I suspect. I’ve blogged previously on this topic (scroll back if you want). I’ll focus here on how they were different.  So, here goes some thoughts off the top of my head:
– DEMO was for a more experienced, mature crowd. TC50 was for the "cool kids." (Cool kids by definition are not all that experienced, and frankly can be a real pain in the ass.)
– DEMO was extremely well run. TC50 wasn’t.
– DEMO was held in a resort location. TC50 was held…south of Market.
– DEMO was friendly. TC50 wasn’t.
– DEMO networking was excellent, as usual. TC50’s was…meh.
– DEMO had great social media tools set up for attendees. Never saw anything like that at TC50.
– DEMO had some great parties. TC50’s…weren’t.
– DEMO had everything on site. TC50 required riding cabs (hotel, evening events), which sucks.
– DEMO’s food was flat-out excellent. TC50’s was ho-hum.
– DEMO’s production values were top-flight. TC50…has some things to learn.
– DEMO had great bump music. Never heard much at TC50.
– DEMO’s on-stage presenters were well prepared. TC50’s varied…widely.
– DEMO’s logistics were impeccable, as usual. TC50’s were…challenged.
– DEMO’s support of press attendees is flat-out the best. TC50’s was…some emails.

But enough equivocating! How do I really feel? 🙂 I’m just telling it like it is based on my own conference experience. Do with it what you will.  Now, in defense of TC50, I was only there for one day (the last).  Maybe the first two days were better (God, I hope). Because I wasn’t there for all of TC-50, I can’t attempt to give you a list of my top-10 favorite startups that launched there.  But, since I did take in the entire DEMOfall conference, I will do my normal best picks from that event — out of the 72 startups that presented.

My Top-Ten DEMOfall Picks
Here are the ones that lit me up, presented here in no particular priority order (just alphabetically). And, to give you the gist of each, I’m including part of what I tweeted about each right as they were on stage:
•  Best Buy (Giftag.com) – of course! my hometown boys – "universal gift registry"…Firefox plug-in…just highlight product at any ecommerce site, then click Giftag icon in your browser bar, and it’s saved
•  BizEquity.com – provides valuations of small businesses, at no cost to the business…small biz in U.S.=$5.8 trillion, a couple trillion more than all Nasdaq cos!
•  BlueLava Technologies (iLovePhotos.com) – has desktop software (Mac now, Win later) that examines your photos and sends ’em to the people in the photos…ooooo!
•  DialDirections (SayWhere) – no more typing on your iPhone, just SAY it, dude! mapping, directions, reviews… (coming soon)
•  Fusion-io – announced ioDrive last yr, now ioSAN…shared solid-state storage…1.5Gb/sec – doubling perf from last yr…can transfer 5 DVDs in seconds
•  MixMatchMusic – a community for musicians and consumers alike, to mash it up…and the musicians even make money!
•  PaidInterviews – disrupting the traditional recruiting model…once candidate’s selected, they’re paid their "ask price" to go on interview…turns recruiting world upside down
•  Plastic Logic – been developing new display technology for 10 yrs, reader coming ’09…no glass, very light, long battery life….woooo!
•  PhoTrade – a visual marketplace connecting photogs, advertisers, web publishers…upload, set price, share…when you’re on deadline, you gotta find and buy a photo fast
•  SpinSpotter – out to bring transparency to news reporting…lets user put on "Spinoculars," highlight unsubstantiated words, submit objections…gad, maybe keep media honest?

Read My Play-by-Play Twitter Account of Both Events
By the way, speaking of tweets, I thought I’d give you the links to my entire Twitter archive on each of these events. The only way I can capture or save all my tweets for later blogging — at least until somebody creates a better way — is to scroll back in Twitter and shoot a screen capture of a page at a time. So, that’s what I did, and I then posted those images (PNG files) to my web site.  The trouble with this approach, of course, is that everything is arranged most recent first — so you don’t get the logical, chronological order of the event, unless you somehow go to the bottom screen capture first and read up.  Anyway, here’s my index of tweets for DEMOfall (#1 most recent, #18 oldest), and my index of tweets for TechCrunch50 (#1 most recent, #8 oldest). 

Let me know what you think. Did you attend either event?  Or did you try to follow them online?  Do you even care?  What were your favorite startups at either one?

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